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Now: Why I Don't Fit With Emergent

Even though there are some ways that I feel I really fit with those in the emergent discussion, there are also a bunch of ways that I don’t.  I could make a really exhaustive list, but it would probably be way to much for you to read and for me to write, so I’ve pared it down to three things.

1. My Non-Negotiables:  The problem with having a conversation across denominational lines is that there are some things that I feel very strongly are non-negotiable about my faith, that others within emergent do not.

Christ is THE Way- I hold to Jesus’ teachings that “He is the way the truth and the live and that NO ONE gets to the Father except through Him.”  There are those in the conversation that feel this is a limited way of thinking…that my God is too small.  More of my thoughts on the subject are here.

Authority of Scripture - I firmly believe that the Bible is the primary way that God uses to reveal Himself, His plan, and the Salvation that Christ offers to us.  I believe that God does reveal himself to us, and through other peoples teachings and writing, but it all needs to be checked back through scripture.  Others will tell you that other sources that reveal God to us are just as authoritative as scripture.  But what if they clash with scripture?  What if parts of the Bible are not Truth to them?

I could keep going, but I think you get the point.  These are a couple examples of things that I wish the “leaders” of emergent would take a stand on.  I understand that they don’t because they want the conversation to be as inclusive as possible, but there comes a point where I feel the need to make a stand on some of these issues.  I guess that’s why I wouldn’t be a good leader for emergent.

2. Their Non-Negotiables:  On the other hand, there are a couple issues that some of the leaders of the emergent discussion have taken a stand on, that other Christians either see as negotiable, or disagree about.

Women in Leadership - Some leaders in Emergent want to establish that Emergent supports women in leadership.  I assume from this article that they also mean women pastors and elders.

Anti-War - Other leaders like Brian McClaren, protest against war, especially the war in Iraq.

I’m not saying I agree or disagree with them, it just seems odd to me that they would be willing to make stands on these topics, while not making a stand on the other topics above.  The whole reason I enjoy this conversation is that it focuses on the non-negotiables that are the most important to Christians across the board.  Why are they then singling out these couple “negotiables”.  Is this the beginning of an “emergent” theology?

I know some will say that this is the beginning of the line being drawn between Emergent and Emerging, or the Emergent Conversation and the Emergent Church.  This may be true, but I think that for now the line is blurred enough that they are still one in the same…Although, if leaders keep making a stand on issues like those above the line could become more clear very soon.

3. The Bandwagon Factor:  “Emergent” seems to be a term that is becoming used very liberally to market any new program out there that is focused on “postmodern” ministry.  It’s replacing “cutting edge” as the term that means new and fresh.  I always threw out ads for ministry materials that claimed to be cutting edge.  I don’t want something that’s cutting edge, I want something that draws people closer to Christ.  There’s only one way to do that, and it’s not some program, it’s responding to the Holy Spirit.

 

So that, in a nutshell, is why I don’t fit with emergent.  I know I’m making some blanket statements based on the beliefs of a few, but I wanted to point out some things that are red flags to me.  There is a lot of good stuff going on in the conversation, and I don’t want to throw out the baby with the bath water. 

Just my $.02

Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 at 11:46AM by Registered Commentermo in , | Comments13 Comments

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Great stuff. Would love to actually talk about it sometime!
April 28, 2005 | Unregistered CommenterDean
you have such a clear and non-negitive (is that a double negitive? i'm a school teacher, i should know) way of saying things. just a passing thought, isn't the term "cutting edge" from the Bible? Hebrews 4:12
April 28, 2005 | Unregistered Commentermaryellen
Dean: Yeah, it would be good to talk about this stuff sometime. Maybe if I can get my butt out of bed & make it to the gym...otherwise maybe we'll have to figure out a time to get together for coffee.

M.E.: Thanks! I was just re-reading this thinking how poorly written it is. English was never my strong point. It's nice to have a fan. BTW: Very good point on the whole "cutting edge" thing...I hadn't thought of that.
April 28, 2005 | Registered Commentermo
Hey Matt --

Great post. I appreciate that you can see through the haze clearly. I have a mental list of my own, plus one like yours about how I do fit with Emergent.

Of paramount importance, to me, is to allow people the freedom to work out their own thing with God, and then respect it without necessarily condoning it -- allowing God to do His thing. The balancing act is tough.

Following Jesus sure is fun, no?!!

Blessings,
Jeremy
April 29, 2005 | Unregistered CommenterJeremy
Thanks Jeremy,

It certianly is an adventure! I do have a post about why I do fit with emergent...this is actually the 4th post in a 5 part series...maybe I should link them all up.
April 29, 2005 | Registered Commentermo
Mo, I would have to say much of where you are is exactly where I am. I have had such amazing struggles with the way some leaders do not really share their beliefs. I think trying to be "inclusive" to what can seem the exclusion of scripture really frustrates me. As you said the line is blurred right now, but I do see that line being drawn.
April 29, 2005 | Unregistered CommenterGerry
I don't see anyone arguing your non-negotiables in EC circles, especially not #1. All EC-ers I've talked to agree that Jesus is the only way...even McLaren thinks so and I'd call him a fringer. And on #2, I think all EC-ers believe that God has revealed himself through Scripture. However, they might take issue with your particular interpretation. Just my thoughts on the subject. Please don't throw out any babies or bathwater.
April 30, 2005 | Unregistered Commenterchris
Great post, I have the same issues. Thanks for bringing them to light. God bless you.
May 1, 2005 | Unregistered CommenterMichael
Chris: In reference to #1, there is a specific article I'm thinking about, but I've haven't been able to find it (read, haven't had the time). If anyone has links to the article I'm thinking of, or one similar, please feel free to post it. It's out there, so keep your eyes open. I realize it's not how most people in EC think, and I realize it's not unique to EC, but it's there. As for #2, you mean that not everyone reads the MOT of the bible! *sarcastic kidding*. Honestly, It's my points under "Their non-negotiables" that concerns me more. I really wonder if these points are the beginning of an EC theology. Oh, and I won't be throwing any babies, but why can't I throw bathwater :p

Michael; glad you enjoyed it, thanks for stopping by.

May 2, 2005 | Registered Commentermo
I stumbled on to your EC discussion. Pretty interesting. What do you make of Paul's instruction to Timothy to simply "Preach the Word?" Doesn't that mean that his primary purpose was to teach (and not necessarily discuss) one source of truth . . . the Bible? I find that "openness" is often just a cover for "nothingness" in the end. Reasonable?
May 3, 2005 | Unregistered CommenterMark
Mark, I may be wrong on this, I am no greek scholar (maybe Adam could chime in). But my understanding is that the way we use the word "Preach", as in giving a sermon, is a rather new definition of word. I believe that in the greek the word used here is actually better translated "advocate for". So Paul is telling Timothy to be an advocate for the Gospel, not necessarily to give sermons. There are lots of different ways to be an advocate and I don't think that being an advocate through discussion is any less reasonable than being an advocate through teaching or preaching.

just my $.02
May 3, 2005 | Registered Commentermo
I did some digging into the Greek and the word means "to proclaim or preach," especially in New Testament usages. I don't think what you're saying is wrong, that being an advocate of the gospel in other ways like discussions and less formal settings is any less reasonable. It just seems like the biblical mandate to the churches is to specifically proclaim the gospel and also edify the gathering of believers by accurately dividing the Word. i.e. qualified men (mostly character issues) are to focus on leading the church through this mode of teaching the Bible. There will always be hours of discussion that happen between us, but I think we also need a diet of solid preaching by those called to do so. There's something special about a loving, passionate, well-studied exposition of Scripture.
May 4, 2005 | Unregistered CommenterMark
I had a couple thoughts on what you said, but in my current state (read exausted) I can't remember what they were. Mostly, I wanted to say that I agree with you and thanks for correcting me.
May 5, 2005 | Registered Commentermo

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